The September 11, 2001 Attacks
10 False Flags that Changed the World: #1
What really happened on September 11, 2001? There are too many speculations to examine in this space, but one ludicrous conspiracy theory deserves mention. It goes like this:
A 44-year-old former CIA asset, operating out of a cave in Afghanistan, coordinated a plot whereby — without any inside help — four hijacked airliners, piloted by 19 flight school dropouts, flew around the most secure airspace in the world for almost two hours, unopposed by 35 in-range USAF bases. Then the incapable pilots brought down three (yes, 3…) Manhattan skyscrapers, and even rammed a jet into the headquarters of the world’s most technologically superior military without a single anti-aircraft missile being fired.
Many people who were witness and victim to the tragedy agree that, without help from both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, this theory fails to explain the catastrophic events of that day.
According to WTC maintenance employee, William Rodriguez:
“There’s reality, and there’s illusion. When illusion becomes reality, that’s a problem. Nine-eleven is a giant illusion. Besides, what can they do to me? I’m a national hero, Bush told me so himself.”
On September 11, 2001, Rodriguez opened locked stairwell doors for firefighters and single-handedly rescued 15 people. He was the last person to exit the North Tower alive.
An Opportune Nightmare
In criminal investigations, detectives look for a motive. In the case of the 9/11 tragedy, there were so many motives that it might be shorter to list who DIDN’T stand to benefit. Nevertheless, here are some reasons some might have welcomed the attacks…
The Twin Towers Were an Asbestos Bombshell
Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year’s worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves.
The cost to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust.
Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24 the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit.
War Profiteers Needed a New Pearl Harbor
Rebuilding America’s Defenses, a year 2000 report from the neo-conservative think tank, Project for the New American Century, says:
“To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively…the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
The report maintains that a world dominated by America, both economically and militarily, is good for everybody on the planet — especially the greedy pockets of the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.
One may wonder what highly-intelligent brains are doing the thinking in the PNAC tank. Members have included:
- Dick Cheney
- Jeb Bush
- Donald Rumsfeld
- Paul Wolfowitz
- Scooter Libby
- John Bolton
- Dov S. Zakheim
- Robert B. Zoellick
- Richard Perle
- William Kristol
- Dan Quayle
The fact is, war profiteers needed a new war to keep the gravy train rolling. Thanks to 9/11, they got two: one in Afghanistan, and one in Iraq.
While citizens pay the Pentagon more money to fight these wars, let’s not forget what Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.” That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning.
So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.
The Patriot Act
Besides enabling the neocons to fund the growth of an empire already glutted with over 700 overseas bases in 130 countries, the attacks handed a lackluster administration the political power to abolish fundamental American freedoms while increasing corporate domination.
Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a U.S. military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned, and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread.
Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people’s medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed, and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.
Oil
In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney’s Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq’s oil fields, even before the U.S. invaded Iraq.
And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next 30 years.
Helping Let 9/11 Happen
Put two and two together, and the picture that most clearly takes shape 
is an inside job that exploited a genuine terrorist plot.
According to this theory, real terrorists were groomed and sent on a mission to hijack and crash planes into American targets. However, elements within the U.S. government knew of the coming attacks and decided to benefit from them.
These insiders obstructed investigations by the FBI, ensured a standdown of air defenses, rigged buildings to collapse, and influenced the terrorist organization at a high level — high enough to choose the targets and the date of the operation.
These insiders cleared the way, let it happen, and planted plenty of evidence to incriminate the patsies.
Blocked Investigations
According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks, and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer’s claims.
In the fall of 2000, two of the Flight 77 hijackers moved in with an FBI informant while they took flight-school lessons in San Diego. The CIA already had the two under surveillance because they had just returned from an al Qaeda summit in Malaysia. Somehow, both the CIA and the FBI allowed the two suspected terrorists to travel in and out of the country and buy airline tickets without raising a flag.
In July of 2001, Phoenix FBI special agent Kenneth Williams sent FBI headquarters a memo, subtitled “Osama bin Laden and Al-Muhjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.” His recommendation to investigate terrorists training at aviation schools was ignored by FBI headquarters.
In August, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon. The instructor asked, “Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?” Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation.
The U.S. also received dozens of detailed warnings — names, locations, dates — from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France, and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers, and somewhat perplexed that the U.S. wasn’t taking preventative actions. But in each case the U.S., as if by design, chose not to investigate.
War Games and the USAF Standdown
“I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.” ~Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002.
Because of the Pentagon’s MASCAL exercise in October, 2000, and the disruption of al Qaeda’s Operation Bojinka in 1995, we know the above quote from Condoleezza Rice is categorically bull excrement.
We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress, all under the umbrella command of Dick Cheney. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these multiple, simultaneous war games:
- Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips.
- Operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector. While real hijackers were in the same airspace, this drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That’s why when NORAD’s airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, “It must be part of the exercise.”
- Biowarfare Exercise Tripod II was a terror drill that called for FEMA’s National Urban Search and Rescue Team to arrive in town the night before the attacks. Because the drill involved setting up a command post at Pier 29, it was all good and ready for Rudolph Giuliani to use when his regular disaster command post in WTC Building 7 collapsed.
“If our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the twin towers would still be standing, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. That is treason!” ~Retired Air Force Colonel Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense.
The WTC Demolitions
Except for the three WTC collapses on 9/11, no fire — and there have been some very severe ones — has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse.
Not the Windsor Building fire, which engulfed a 32-story building in downtown Madrid in February, 2005. The building burned like a torch for twenty hours, reaching temperatures above 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit. But once the fire cooled, cranes had to be assembled and it took 6 months to disassemble the skeleton piece by piece, at a cost of over $28 million.
And not the One Meridian Plaza fire, which started in a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia in 1991. Philadelphia’s worst fire ever raged for 18 hours, gutted eight floors, and was hot enough to crack granite. But no part of the building collapsed.
And not even the First Interstate Bank fire that destroyed floors 12-16 of a 62-story building in Los Angeles in 1988. Despite being regarded as the worst, most devastating high-rise fire in the history of Los Angeles, and blazing for over three hours, there was no damage to the main steel structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam.
Yet, three steel-framed skyscrapers collapsed on September 11, 2001. And World Trade Center 7 wasn’t even hit by a plane. The 47-story building’s 58 steel perimeter columns and 25 steel core columns all broke, simultaneously, at 5:20 pm.
The offices of the Secret Service, Department of Defense, SEC, IRS, and CIA offices, along with all their files, disappeared into the footprint of WTC 7, along with the rest of the building. To this date, nobody has explained how or why the building collapsed. The closest official explanation has been from FEMA’s report:
“Loss of structural integrity was likely a result of weakening caused by fires on the 5th to 7th floors. The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.”
In other words, they don’t know either. Some witnesses reported demolition bombs and charges inside the buildings. Some physics professors point to evidence that thermite was used. Some employees note that there were powerdowns and construction crews “upgrading cable” during the previous weekend. But, really, what made the buildings collapse?
Only one thing’s for sure: It wasn’t jet fuel from hijacked planes.
Protecting the Official Lie
The masterminds behind a false flag operation on the scale of the 9/11 attacks could hardly paint a flawless picture. For people who look, there are quite a few visible brush strokes that betray the fake official story.
The Missing Black Boxes
Each plane that hit the WTC had two black boxes: a flight data recorder, and a cockpit voice recorder. These nearly indestructible black boxes are built to withstand 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for an hour and an impact of 3,400 G’s.
Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone and retired New York firefighter Nicholas DeMasi claimed to have found three of the four black boxes in the WTC rubble before 2002. They said they turned the boxes over to FBI agents, who then told them to stay quiet.
But, according to the FBI and the 9/11 Commission Report, even though the WTC rubble was combed for fingernails and bone fragments, not a single one of the four indestructible black boxes was found. However, National Transportation Safety Board spokesperson Ted Lopatkiewicz said that he couldn’t recall a domestic case before 9/11/01 in which the recorders were not recovered.
Planted Evidence
While the FBI would have us believe that the four indestructible black boxes were vaporized when the airplanes hit the twin towers, hijacker Al-Suqami’s passport was found by a passerby in the vicinity of Vesey Street minutes after the first plane hit the north tower. Even though the plane and its passengers were almost entirely vaporized, the pristine passport must have flown out of his pocket and avoided the steel-melting fireball.
Besides the magic passport, other suspicious evidence has conveniently surfaced to make sure the hijackers are linked to 9/11. For instance, two of ringleader Mohamed Atta’s bags didn’t get checked onto the plane. His luggage was the only passenger’s luggage that didn’t make the flight. Besides procedure manuals for Boeing aircraft, the bags contained Atta’s passport, a Koran, and lots of letters.
FBI agent Warren Flagg says, “How do you think the government was able to identify all 19 hijackers almost immediately after the attacks. They were identified through those papers in the luggage. And that’s how it was known so soon that al-Qaida was behind the hijackings.”
Resisting an Investigation
From day one, President Bush fought against the creation of a Sept. 11 commission. Only after enormous pressure due to the 9/11 Widows did he finally cave in. But even then, he refused to testify under oath, or on the record. And then, he asked the commission to let mastermind Dick Cheney do all his talking, in the White House. And he asked the commission not to take notes, either. So, who looks guilty?
Conclusion
If you follow the money…and we’re talking trillions of dollars here…you can see that the people with the most to gain occupied the key military and civilian positions to help 9/11 happen, as well as to cover up the crime. Such is the hallmark of false flag operations throughout history. But the incredible scale of the 9/11 sham, and the sheer number of people who still refuse to see the mountain of truth in front of their eyes…that’s what makes the September 11, 2001 attacks the greatest false flag operation of all time.
“The bottom line is that all wars are contrived. Rich bankers and financiers pull the strings to put these horrific events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor into motion. It’s simply bizarre.” ~Ross Wittenberg, former Vietnam pilot with over 100 combat missions and a commercial pilot for Pan Am and United for some 35 years.
“Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. …Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” ~Hermann Göring, Nazi war criminal.
“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.” ~George W. Bush, speaking before the UN General Assembly.
“In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people…will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one.” ~Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
“No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers burrowing into our society and then emerging all in the same day to fly their aircraft - fly U.S. aircraft into buildings full of innocent people - and show no remorse. This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil. And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.” ~George W. Bush.
Go to the previous article in this series:
Phantoms in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Go to the original article in this series:
10 False Flags that Changed the World.
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LOL you claim that the Patriot Act was ready in 8 days but your own source said it was 45. This is indictive and you and other “truthers” “research”
As for the asbestos abatement the cost of that seems to have only been around $ 200 million according to another “truther” site citing court documents
http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna39.htm
Silverstein actually took a large loss as a result of 9/11 he has had to pay his annual $120 million rent to the Port Authority despite not receiving and rent for the last 7 years and he is unlikely to receive any rent for several more years. He is still contractually obliged to rebuild the complex. That’s what $ 4.6 billion was for but rebuilding costs are expected to exceed that amount. It also turns out that he only wanted to insure the complex for $ 1.5 billion but his financial backers balked.
http://911myths.com/html/windfall.html
I’ve seen no evidence the war games delayed the military’s response time. As had been the case for the last several years 14 fighters were on scramble alert in the “lower 48” on 9/11. Intercepts of over US airspace (as opposed to at sea) were rare before 9/11. It took over an hour to intercept Payne Stewart’s Learjet in 1999, about the same amount of time to intercept a Lear in a similar incident out of Memphis in 1988 and 2 hours to intercept Bo Rein’s plane in 1980.
Rumsfeld brought up the $ 2.3 trillion in a prepared statement to congress because he was pushing for new data systems he never indicated the money was missing.
If I had hours of free time I could rebut the rest of your nonsense.
Oh one more thing the Windsor Tower was of very different construction to the WTC most of its frame was reinforced concrete which is far more fire resistant. However the (unprotected) steel perimeter columns collapsed after about 1 hour despite not being hit by a jetliner flying at about 500 mph
Len: first, thanks for the insults and putdowns, you pocket-sized, vile, and unmannerly little twit ;-) Your childish tantrum-like tone aside, jet fuel is basically kerosene, and propane burns hundreds of degrees hotter than kerosene, and that is precisely why steel backyard grills collapse into dust every spring all across America….ohhhhh, wait….all those grills DON’T collapse, even though they’re revved up sometimes for hours.
Since you know all the answers, why did one of the hijackers passport survive an inferno that, the investigators would have us believe, burned all four “black boxes” into nothingness? And why were there Israeli spies found filming the impact from a tripod and celebrating, and driving around Manhattan in white vans containing explosives, and then why were they questioned for a month and then deported without any explanation to the public?
And even though Payne Stewarts plane was intercepted after an hour over the sparse midwest, on 9/11, these planes were known to be hijacked for over an hour, and they were flying amidst thirty-something airforce bases within quick strike distance around our highly-protected national capital. You’ve made some good points (i.e. Windsor Tower, possibly…) but there is overwhelming evidence that our public servants in Washington haven’t told us the complete story, and have likely misled the public about the truth, and it is fact that Bush and Cheney fought an investigation tooth and nail for a year, and the cover up is still going on…
Commissions are for cover ups.
Investigations are for indictments.
If the government had wanted to uncover the truth about 9/11, they would have approached it like a criminal investigation.
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“Len: first, thanks for the insults and putdowns, you pocket-sized, vile, and unmannerly little twit ;-) Your childish tantrum-like tone aside…”
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The only thing I said that could be interpreted as an insult was
“LOL you claim that the Patriot Act was ready in 8 days but your own source said it was 45. This is indicative and you and other “truthers” “research” ”
Shall we compare my tone and yours?
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“…jet fuel is basically kerosene, and propane burns hundreds of degrees hotter than kerosene, and that is precisely why steel backyard grills collapse into dust every spring all across America….ohhhhh, wait….all those grills DON’T collapse, even though they’re revved up sometimes for hours.”
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What amazes but doesn’t surprise me is that so many “truthers” are ignorant of the basic facts i.e. they don’t know the actual details of the theory they are disputing.
1] Do you have any evidence for your claim that “propane burns hundreds of degrees hotter than kerosene”? According to a paper on the Iowa State University website the peak flame temperature of the LATTER is 113 C [203 F] HIGHER than that of the former.
http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2005/pdf/stokes_paper.pdf
2) It is NOT theorized that jet fuel was the primary fuel source for the fires but rather the flammable contents of towers was. Since you like BBQ analogies jet fuel was the starter fluid. Obviously you have NOT read any of the various scientific reports or papers on the collapses. According to a study by the Structural Fire Engineering department of the University of Manchester such fires can reach 1200 C [2200 F] far beyond the point at which steel weakens and expands.
http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/Design/performance/fireModelling/nominalFireCurves/default.htm
3] Nor is it claimed the fires cause the steel to collapse into dust collapse into dust. Heat from the flames caused the floor trusses to expand then weaken and sag causing the perimeter columns to bow, this bowing can be seen in photos and videos of both towers before they collapsed. Once again it is obvious you have NOT read any of the various scientific reports or papers on the collapses. You don’t seem to have read the more informed “rebuttals”.
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“Since you know all the answers, why did one of the hijackers passport survive an inferno that, the investigators would have us believe, burned all four “black boxes” into nothingness?”
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You really are misinformed it was never claimed that the black boxes were destroyed let alone they were destroyed by the fires let alone by the brief fireball. There was about 1 million tons of rubble from the Twin Towers alone some of it fell over 1360 feet (415 meters) if that and the impacts wasn’t enough to destroy them they simply could have been lost in the rubble or destroyed by the fires which burned for weeks.
Various paper and plastic articles were recovered from both WTC planes.
http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html
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“…And why were there Israeli spies found filming the impact from a tripod and celebrating, and driving around Manhattan in white vans containing explosives, and then why were they questioned for a month and then deported without any explanation to the public?”
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There is no solid evidence they were spies and no evidence they were filming before the first impact, lots of people started filming the towers afterwards. Lots of foreigners who overstayed their visas were picked up held and deported after 9/11. No explosives were found in their van.
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“And even though Payne Stewarts plane was intercepted after an hour over the sparse midwest, on 9/11, these planes were known to be hijacked for over an hour, and they were flying amidst thirty-something airforce bases within quick strike distance around our highly-protected national capital.”
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Which flight was known to be hijacked but went unintercepted for over an hour? Stewart’s plane was flying in a straight line in low traffic airspace with its transponder on and was intercepted by a plane already in the air after 80 minutes, the hijack planes flew erratic courses in busy air space making them much harder to track, locate and intercept. The number of AFB’s was irrelevant because only 4 east of the Mississippi had fighters on “scramble alert” 2 were in Florida the other 2 were in Cape Cod and southern Virginia. DC is not an especially well protected against aerial attack.
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“You’ve made some good points (i.e. Windsor Tower, possibly…) but there is overwhelming evidence that our public servants in Washington haven’t told us the complete story, and have likely misled the public about the truth, and it is fact that Bush and Cheney fought an investigation tooth and nail for a year, and the cover up is still going on…”
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I actually agree with you on that but don’t believe the cover up is as extensive as you believe.
Oh and one more thing.
There is no evidence bin Laden was ever a CIA asset. Yes they supported the the same side in a war decades earlier but so did The US and USSR during WWII.
Len is a shill, that much is clear.
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Len: You said: “If I had hours of free time I could rebut the rest of your nonsense.” Apparently, you DO have hours of free time. Lately, I don’t. How about something maybe we can agree on: Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
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• JoeC Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Len: You said: “If I had hours of free time I could rebut the rest of your nonsense.” Apparently, you DO have hours of free time. Lately, I don’t.
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In other words you can’t rebut my posts so you’ll make up excuses instead.
Actually it didn’t take me too long to write my posts because I know the subject matter. Presumably however you spent several hours writing the about the “10 false flags”
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How about something maybe we can agree on: Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
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Yeah I also agree that seawater is salty, AFAIK not even Bush claimed Saddam was involved in 9/11 though IIRC he did claim he backed AQ
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• Indigobusiness Says:
December 5th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Len is a shill, that much is clear.
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
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In other words you can’t rebut my posts so you’ll call me a shill instead. Funny Joe obviously spent far more time on his post but you don’t think he’s “protesting too much”
Len Says:
December 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
“Blah, blah, blah, rebut, blah…you don’t think , blah, blah…”
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Dear Len, I wouldn’t but your posts, much less rebut them. I prefer to read between the lines, it’s more telling.
You’re right: about some things, I don’t think. Why would I?
Like I said before: Commissions are for cover ups. If they weren’t, then we’d get an indictment once in awhile.
Some people choose to question, some prefer to defend the status quo and not ask questions.
I’ll go with those who ask questions every time. The odds for finding truth are better.
Ok, Len, where to start…let’s just take the first thing you brought up in your first rebuttal…
In fact, the first draft of what would later be retitled the Patriot Act was introduced to Congress on 9/19/2001, only eight days after the 9/11 attacks. Patriot Act legislation introduced 9/19/2001.
What I find hysterically illogical is how you denigrate the research of “truthers” (your belittling quotes, not mine), then try to use that same “sloppy” research as golden truth in an attempt to nullify something I’ve said.
Anyway, the legislation you refer to that was introduced to Congress 45 days after 9/11 was a revision of the legislation introduced 8 days after 9/11, only with a new title. So, technically, you’re right: the first time the Patriot Act was introduced by that title was 45 days after 9/11. But, the first gigantic draft of the legislation was ready, printed out, and handed to Congress on 9/19 — just 8 days after 9/11. And that’s the truth.
1] I never disputed that earlier versions of the PA were introduced 8 days after 9/11 only that the source you cited to support that claim said it was 45 in the 1st paragraph. It’s not my responsibility to debunk your claims but rather yours to document them. Truth be told it was introduced 21 days after.
2] It’s true that various anti-terrorism bills were introduced in the days following the attacks, were any of them daft versions of the PA I don’t think so. Officially the 1st version was introduced Oct 2. The Washington Post ran a 5 page article about the passage of the act (linked below) and made no mention of the Sept. 19 bill. Am I correct in suspecting you just assumed this was true because you saw it on the “Timeline”? You do know that it’s almost like Wikipedia anyone can add an entry, the only difference being you have to create an account and log in. The only evidence supplied in support of the claim the 9/19 bill was a draft version of the PA was link to the text of the bill. Did you actually read it and the PA? If so then perhaps you can tell us what points they had in common. Even the newspaper article cited in the entry made no mention of the bill.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/09/AR2006050900961.html
One thing I’ve noticed is that truthers tend to uncritically accept what other truthers say. You just accepted that the 9/19 bill was an early version of the PA because you saw it on the timeline, one of your reader’s accepted your claim without even bothering to click on the link, David Ray Griffin admitted that he “quoted…statements from secondary sources…without looking them up for myself to read them in context”
http://tinyurl.com/DRgrifter
>It’s not my responsibility to debunk your claims but rather yours to document them.
Nope. I don’t have any responsibility to document anything. The President had a responsibility to uphold the U.S. Constitution (he failed.) The 9/11 commission had a responsibility to fully document what happened (they failed.) But me? I never signed up to document anything. This is just my blog, dude. And by your own twist-the-truth rules, the Preamble to the Constitution was written in 2008 (hint…I just wrote it on a piece of paper…I didn’t say it had never been written before.)
Frankly, I’ve gone far enough down the 9/11 rabbit hole to grow a bit bored and tired of it. In addition to your comments, I’ve seen a mountain of evidence for and against the “19 hijackers acted alone” conspiracy theory, and I’m 99.9% convinced at least a few people on the inside let it happen on purpose. Do I have a smoking gun? No. But until somebody shows me a smoking gun to support the story BushCo supplied America, I’ll likely not change my mind at this point.
So, for the record, don’t confuse my future non response to your comments about 9/11 as endorsing your point of view — just know it’s me being uninterested with nit-picky mind games. In fact — my blog, my rules — if you really do want another response from me on the subject of 9/11, it’s now your responsibility to prove that parts of the Patriot Act were not written before 9/11. Or provide the “19 hijackers acted alone” smoking gun…but if you find that, I doubt you’ll be telling me first.
Another thing that I’ve noticed is that while ‘truthers’ don’t tire of discussing 9/11 amongst themselves they inevitably, prevaricate, make up excuses, change the subject etc when their beliefs are challenged by ‘debunkers’.
You do know of course that no one claims the 19 hijackers pulled it off all by themselves, they were only part of the conspiracy. You want evidence that AQ was behind the attacks without the aid of the US gov’t? Do you follow the news? - Khaled Sheik Mohamed (the mastermind of the plot) and four co-defendants want to confess, they have never said “we didn’t do it” or “we did it but Bush was in on it” etc. They are not trying to trade their confession for lighter sentences; in fact they seem destined to get the death penalty.
I actually share your suspicion that they already had the PA or something like it on the shelf waiting for an opportune moment to be introduced. Several of the provisions had be proposed previously but rejected. The issue was you claiming one thing and your source saying something else, don’t you read articles before linking them? Ditto Iraq, IIRC overthrowing Hussein was part of the 2000 GOP platform.
Len needs a wake up call or is he one of those hired by god knows who to debunk these questions, that clearly shows there are anomolies. OK, Here are the facts. AGAIN:
this is for all, pls know that there were not two towers that came down on 911! but 3! world trade centre 7 also came down without any resistance ( like a detonated imlosion). Now can any one with minimum intelligence ( Len?) tell me why did that tower come down? no planes hit it, why is there no investigation regarding that ? it seems we were born yesterday. the whole world got punk’d on 911!
This is for all. the fire fighters reported they hard large thuderous explosions before the twin towers came down. the authorities ( who convineintly asked every reporter, camera man, sound technician to leave manhattan so that there will be no audio evidence) exlained it by saying these were the sounds off floors collapsing like pan cakes. Again, foolish America, Sounds Are The Result of An Action NOT Prior to An Action! what would you say if you heard my clapping even before I clapped my hands!!? the collapsing floors would have been the cause of the sounds, NOT that the sounds preceeded the collapsing floors! evidence this is detonated implosion.
Len, Len, my dear Len. you don’t seem to realize the gravity of this event. thousands of lives have been lost on a lie, just becuase America needs to wage war every 10 years just to keep the trillion dollar military industry running!
LOL - A completely misinformed ‘truther’ why does that not surprime me?!
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“world trade centre 7 also came down without any resistance ( like a detonated imlosion). Now can any one with minimum intelligence ( Len?) tell me why did that tower come down? no planes hit it, why is there no investigation regarding that ?”
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There have been at least 2 completed investigations of the collapse of 7 WTC, ASCE and NIST. I am aware of a third one which is on going being conducted by investigators hired by Con Edison which is suing Silverstein.
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“This is for all. the fire fighters reported they hard large thuderous explosions before the twin towers came down. the authorities ( who convineintly asked every reporter, camera man, sound technician to leave manhattan so that there will be no audio evidence) exlained it by saying these were the sounds off floors collapsing like pan cakes.”
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There are only a handful of reports of loud explosions immediately preceding the collapses; none can be heard on any of the numerous videos. The loud noises heard after collapse initiation most likely are the result of structural elements colliding.
No one asked cameramen, soundmen or journalists of any kind to leave the area before the collapses. That is why there are so many videos.
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“Again, foolish America, Sounds Are The Result of An Action NOT Prior to An Action! what would you say if you heard my clapping even before I clapped my hands!!? the collapsing floors would have been the cause of the sounds, NOT that the sounds preceeded the collapsing floors! evidence this is detonated implosion.”
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Foolish Frenchman (did I guess right?) making stupid remarks without having his facts straight!